In Response to Tiffany Dow’s video response to Tony Robbins interview with Frank Kern and John Reese
August 23rd, 2009 by Tina 
6 Comments This post is in response to this Robbins, Kern, Reese Video Interview:
http://tonyrobbinstraining.com/320/interview-with-frank-kern-and-john-reese/
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Tiffany Dow’s Video Response here:
http://www.tiffanydow.com/blog/main/frank-kern-john-reese-tony-robbins-video/
I don’t think Tony, John, and Frank are missing the mark. In fact, I think they’re dead on.
In my opinion, the last thing people need is more hand-holding to “make it,” to succeed, to make their dreams a reality.
Why? Because it allows them to lower their drive.
People become less active in the process of becoming successful, of creating their own success, because they give themselves permission to wait for someone to help them instead of just forging through on their own path to make it happen for themselves.
It’s like they’re saying, “Oh, yeah, I want it, and I’ll get there as soon as Frank (or the “guru” of your choice) stops playing bigwig and helps me do it.”
I think all the buzz for hand-holding is an excuse, that asking for it, waiting for it, expecting it even, just makes people lazy and more or less lets them off the hook for taking responsibility for the direction their own business or life is taking.
Tell me…how does Frank’s being the creator of Mass Control make him responsible for YOU to succeed with it? How does John’s being the mastermind behind Traffic Secrets make him responsible for your ability to get traffic? How does either of these guys being the creator of their PRODUCTS make them responsible for you working the information in those products to your own benefit?
They aren’t. You are responsible for your own destiny, within the will of God.
If you truly want to succeed, you will.
You will make it happen.
If you’re comfortable where you’re at, you’ll stay there. I know this because I’m a people-watcher of sorts and over the years the one thing I’ve noticed is that all people will always find a way to have what they really want…even if they have to create it.
How can I say all this when I myself am no John Reese or Frank Kern or Tony Robbins , although I definitely WILL be in a like position of success someday soon?
Because it’s me.
Ever heard the phrase, “Know thyself?” Well, I know me, and the things I am saying here, I am saying because I recognize all of it about myself. I think if you’ll take a few moments to really be honest with yourself, you’ll admit that it’s you, too.
I’m not “calling you out” or singling out any one person here. I’m talking about myself, and I’ve watched enough people to know what I am saying is definitely relative to a number of you out there as well.
Look, not so long ago, I used to think exactly the same thing…that if someone would just climb down off their high horse and HELP me, I could be where I wanted to be, have the things I wanted out of life. But the more I thought about it, the more I took responsibility for myself, once I realized the only person not believing, taking the required action to make sure I succeeded was ME, I saw the need for hand-holding from the higher-ups for what it really was…an excuse to work less or to put off trying altogether.
Let me ask you this: why should they help you anyway?
Do you think these people are driven to make sure you succeed MORE THAN YOU YOURSELF ARE?
Come on. It has to be YOU. If you’re not ready, willing, and able to do what it takes to make it, if you aren’t driven within yourself to accomplish whatever it is you desire to accomplish…what makes you think it’s okay for you to expect someone else to put in the effort to get you to the point where you are?
What makes you think it is someone else’s responsibility, just because they’ve created a product or two showing you the way, to make you want something bad enough to go after it…if you don’t?
The left and right of it is, it’s not their responsibility. It’s yours.
And before you charge through a hate response demanding to know how I can say the responsibility for certain products not working as the creators have said they did isn’t yours…yes it is. These people have already proved their products worked…for THEM. So yes, the products they’re selling you do work. They have and do work…for the creator of them.
Those same products CAN work for you, too…if you want the results badly enough to actually do what they tell you to do. How do I know? They worked once. For someone. If it worked once, it can and will work again.
Another thing: When I say these people aren’t responsible for your success, I’m not saying the Franks, and Tonys, and Johns of the world don’t want you to succeed. I’m not saying they won’t help anyone, because they do.
What I am saying is that I believe it is actually just the opposite…they DO want you to succeed, very much so, because they already know how wonderful it is to not have to worry about bill collectors calling you, or to not be afraid you’re never going to know your kids because you’re never there with them to get to know them.
They already know how wonderful it is to simply decide to spend a week in Maui, and be able to pick up and go whenever they want. Or to buy a new Porche, or to just spend the day doing whatever you want without having to worry life will fall apart tomorrow because of it.
These guys KNOW reaching a point where you don’t have to worry about money is good, and they aren’t greedy. They are more than willing to share this kind of world with you, and every day they’re out there inviting you in…because they also know how bad it SUCKS to be where you are now.
How do they know? They know because each of them were there once themselves. And neither of them have forgotten where they came from, forgotten the little guy. Not one of them has forgotten what it was like to be the men they were then…before they reached the turning point in their lives that made them who they are now.
They CAN’T forget, else they would find themselves right back where you are, in your shoes, doing what you’re doing…again. I’m willing to bet neither of them want that for themselves…nor do they wish that kind of life for YOU.
No, Tony, Frank, and John want you to succeed.
What else could have sent Frank and John to Tony Robbins…TONY freakin’ ROBBINS, guys! to find out what is keeping you from moving forward? What else would have motivated Tony to take the time to answer Frank and John’s questions? More money? Come on. Like Frank needs a bigger crib, or John needs another Porche.
These guys really DO care about you. So much so, they’ve gone a step BEYOND delivering a road map to success to you…they went out of their way with this interview to buy you a car, too, and find the perfect instructor to teach you how to drive it.
What more can we ask for?
written by Tina Adams
Tags: frank kern, john reese, response, tiffany dow, Tina Adams, tony robbins, video
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Tony is a magnificent human being. I have seen him in person several times. Yet, I am still not quite sure how I feel about him jumping into the same “continuity product model” that the marketing gurus are using. After all $67/month is a lot of money for folks struggling. We still think that (Website Removed), and its one-time fee, is a better route.
Sharon
Tina
Congrats on a fabulous 1st post – wow, you certainly jumped right in. Can’t wait for what will follow.
I especially love a lot this public statement of purpose of yours:
“How can I say all this when I myself am no John Reese or Frank Kern or Tony Robbins, although I definitely WILL be in a like position of success someday soon?
Because it’s me.
Ever heard the phrase, “Know thyself?” Well, I know me, and the things I am saying here, I am saying because I recognize all of it about myself. I think if you’ll take a few moments to really be honest with yourself, you’ll admit that it’s you, too.”
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OK, now I want my turn in the ring, gals! Disclaimer: I own some of your stuff Tiffany.
Re the artificial setup – Tiff, don’t entirely blame the IM gurus – seems to me it was Tony who added that filler fluff, and we all know that AR loves a story – check his intro: ‘I am doing this video for you’, etc. Heck, the guy’s used infomercials for years – don’t you think he’s going to absolutely milk the medium that’s put him in the spotlight? For goodness’ sake, his hotel suite was clearly set up in active filming mode for other products! Tony said so himself. Not a coincidence therefore to drag a couple of alternative yobbo IM gazillionaires “off the street”! No worse than reality TV shows, and don’t we all hate them.
Secondly, Tiff you said you didn’t watch the complete 38-minute video. I hardly think it’s fair then to base your critique on the earlier part you did watch. For the record, fear was NOT the consensus #1 reason, not at all. I’ve watched it 2x and taken thorough notes the 2nd time.
Re questioning the gurus’ motives for being there. I don’t know JR at all, nor FK until very recently when I heard an impromptu talk by him in Vegas a month ago when he covered for an absent speaker at an IM conference. [he was "in town" as it happened, though not even an attendee]. And yes his talk was laced with the “f” word, etc, probably because he was put on the spot and was still hung over. BUT let me tell you, his message was anything but selfishly directed. Interestingly his theme was “What’s the #1 thing holding people back?” The ways he argued that issue came across as truly genuinely trying to help us; they were unscripted and they were not playing directly or indirectly into AR’s pet “massive action” topics. If you want to know his exact 7-step answer to becoming unstoppable, and the 3 things we must do before taking action, ask me. And re the money and the video viral marketing agenda/insinuations, etc, get this: He said to a conference full of willing buyers “I have nothing to sell you, nothing”. Yet of course every other speaker spruiked their $2K-plus products ad nauseum. Not Frank.
BTW, it intrigues me as to why a guy like FK has such a massive following. Sure, for every follower of his there’s a detractor, but my intuitive take is that his popularity is due to his having helped people become successful. Sound too corny?
A case study: Let me tell you what holds ME back from using the many IM products I own. It’s none of the things Tony emphasised over & over. I have the drive, I have the WHY, I have the belief, I know I have the potential. I have ample time daily, in fact I even steal sleep hours to devote to my fledgling IM business. And Tiff, I even have the tech know-how, more or less – the things I don’t know yet, I know I will learn and master myself.
Here’s what’s held me back so far – a lack of focus. Caused by having too many gurus!!! Simple really. So is the fix, I guess.
The gurus who get results know that’s the problem. One of the speakers at the conference said so directly – dump all products except one, any one, didn’t have to be his. And put that one into practise.
Tiff, I noticed some of your commenters bemoaned the gender imbalance in the IM guru lineup. Applying reverse logic to this, it seems to me that this may indicate few women have the drive to push themselves all the way to the top.
Final semi-private point to Tiff about your mounting email support problem. Seems to me there’s a massive disconnect here – you’re selling $27 ebooks and then doing 1-on-1 handholding to people not on a continuity program. Won’t that soon send you broke, &/or stress you to the max? IMHO that sort of clientele instead needs a complete turn-key system. You know – at most, 3 mouse clicks and their own [moneymaking thing] is Live! Bankable utopia. For the record, Mike Filsaime’s just done it. Damn him, should have been me!
Tina, I totally agree, those guys rocks.
I love the part of the video, when they say that because people bought the product, they are expecting/ waiting that will work, but in their mind, they do not “believe” it, and after they say, ohh, I knew it was not going to work, I knew it!
Tony, John, Frank are special, they deserve it!
Hey Tina!
You said, “did his help clear up your problem because he helped you, or because it finally clicked for you what you were doing wrong, and how you could correct it?”
For me, after trying it on my own and not breaking through, it was his hands on help that I HAD to have. It wasn’t that I just didn’t have enough heart to push through. This is the technical kind of stuff I talked about in my video that blocks so many people.
On viral marketing, helping, etc. John definitely has the biggest heart when it comes to marketing. In one of my vlogs I talked about him specifically – he bailed me out when another top marketer screwed me over. He IS heart.
But I won’t sit there and say anyone’s going to help and make money losing it. That’s why I asked my viewers how to handle the growing personal emails I receive. I still want to give that personal help but the volume is a problem.
I hope these 3 guys can help develop a solution. Mine was not a disagreement with them, per se – except as to what the biggest problem is – it’s to say, “hey it might be THIS, so how can we all fix it?”
Tiff
Hey, Tiff! Thanks for dropping by to add your comments. I appreciate it.
So let’s talk about “why people aren’t succeeding.”
In the video with Tony and Frank and John, they mention the “back to the wall”, or “gun to the head” moment where it seems some people finally actually get motivated to *do something*, to change.
I think it’s more the other thing that Tony mentioned, rather than their coming from any state of fear or desperation that makes them feel FORCED to succeed. I think people succeed when they decide to. Not when they try, but when they actually *decide* succeeding is what they’re going to do…and refuse to accept anything else. THAT’s when they get out there and do it.
Now I don’t know about you, but I make half-hearted decisions a lot. I decide I’m going to write about this, or do that. But I don’t really mean it. I do it a few times, then it loses its appeal, and I’m back to doing none of the things I decided to do a week ago.
But I have made other decisions that were not half-hearted. And I always achieved the goal when I made real decisions. For instance, when my husband and I decided it was time to move out of my parents house and we went looking for a new home. We went to a mobile home lot (yes, we live in a mobile home) and looked at the offerings. Once we’d picked the one we liked, I told my husband to say nothing when we went into the sales office. I would do the talking.
And before anyone asks, I’m the one in our house who usually handles these things. He’s clueless when it comes to finances…and he’s happy to let me have at it all I want.
When we went in, I had already decided we were going to purchase the home we’d chose. When I spoke to the salesman, I told him we wanted that home. I didn’t ask which would best fit our budget. I didn’t ask his opinion at all. I didn’t need it. I already knew what I wanted. I asked him where we needed to sign. I didn’t ask about credit checks or down payments or anything like that…just “What do you need for us to sign?”
He got the paperwork together, my husband signed in the appropriate places, and that was that.
What made it different from the time I decided I wanted a new car, but didn’t get it? I was undecided (about so many things) when I went for the car, but I suffered under no such affliction when we went for the home.
I like where you mentioned above that your instructor sometimes had to put his hand over yours and move it so you could see what you were doing wrong, but I ask you this: did his help clear up your problem because he helped you, or because it finally clicked for you what you were doing wrong, and how you could correct it?
As for failing…I’m a classic example of fail. LOL. I’ve failed my way through hundreds of endeavors. But there’s something inside me that, no matter how dismally I’ve done before, simply will not allow me to give up.
You also mention how the video does stuff for these guys, that it’s viral marketing…and that’s true. Yes, it does help them make money. But look at this part of the equation too. You made a video response to it…it is also viral marketing for you and helps you sell stuff too. If I were selling from this blog, it would help me sell stuff too, by the very act of my response to it.
But was that our motivation from the beginning? Or were we all (Tony and Frank and John and you and I) simply looking to ask questions, share our views, and help others figure out where they are and how to get a step ahead of where they are now? I like to think we’re all trying to help. But then, I’m one of those glass half full girls … most of the time.
Anyway, thanks again for the post. I respect your right to disagree. Just because we don’t have the same opinions doesn’t mean we haven’t a right to our opinions, yes?
Tink
Hey Tina! Great post
You asked, “why should they help you anyway?” Well they don’t have to of course. But my response was because they were asking, “why aren’t people succeeding?” I still believe that’s why and the reason is because I see it every day in hundreds of emails. These people I’m dealing with don’t lack drive, determination, or motivation. They lack the same thing I lacked.
Someone posted in my blog a response about golf and it’s like that for many people. My coach could stand in front of me and SHOW me how to hit a slice on purpose. I could take the club, try it and STILL fail – even if I hit 1,000 balls in a row, which I often did. He had to walk over, put his hand on top of mine, and move it to show me what I was doing wrong. Sometimes you feel like you’re on a hamster wheel making the same mistakes.
And I HIGHLY disagree about the money. ***This statement is NOT about those guys in particular*** but the greediest people I know are those with the most money. lol. They may care, sure! But I don’t think this video proves it either. This video does stuff for them – it’s viral marketing. It helps them make money.
I think we can ask a lot more
Do they have to deliver it? Nope. But then why are they out there asking why so many people are failing? Obviously there’s a disconnect 
Tiff